My parents' house was literally a long block down the street from Hagee's first Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, when it was built in 1975 when I was 16.
It was on a spot of wooded, vacant land where we had hung out as kids, so that made us ill-disposed towards the church from the beginning. The type of church didn't help, either.
Hagee opened up his new church the same year of his divorce from his first wife of 15 years or so, whom he left with two underage children amid whispers of an affair or affairs. At least that's what the Catholics, Episcopalians, Methodists, AND Baptists said, so there's probably something to the rumors since those four hardly agreed on anything.
Hagee's people were evangelical, proselytizing Bible-thumpers in the SEVENTIES. Of course we teenagers messed with them. This was at the time "trenching" was in teenage fun vandalism vogue. That consisted of driving a vehicle, preferably a heavy one, across the lawns of whoever drew our ire or just on a stupid whim.
Cornerstone Church got trenched so many times they had to put up concrete barriers to block off the church from my residential street, which was the back way in, and more along the sidewalks by the parking lots next to the front entrance, which was off the westbound access road of I-410.
Yup. I did that a couple of times. The statute of limitations expired long, long ago, and I WAS just 16. So that means I've despised that millionaire religious carnival barker going on 50 years now, and I see no reason to stop.
White this is true about the numbers, the nature of power is not about numbers. It’s about influence and position.
So you have examples like this of how a group of people - who are not Christian Zionists- can singularly influence public opinion and the facts available to the public.
Similarly you can look at the top levels of the national security council or State Dept and see who is over represented and singularly able to take vital and fatal decisions - it’s not Christian Zionists:
You could look at the boards of trustees and the administration levels of universities and again you would see over represented groups able to take decisions like suspension of students and calling in police - it’s not Christian Zionists.
Numbers are fine. But the US is an oligarchy not a democracy and the numbers are not what’s decisive - what’s decisive is people in control who have been indoctrinated in this stuff from birth and are no different than Ben Gvir, just that they are littered around the finish of power.
I mean ask yourself who was able to do more damage at the office every day - Stuart Seldowitz - or one million Christian Zionists.
I agree with you. But those sheer numbers mean that they have a lock on the Republican Party - no GOP candidate can get elected without the blessing of CUFI. In that way, the CZs do wield some clout. But ultimately, it is the fact that Zionists occupy the highest and most powerful positions in the US that makes the Israel Lobby formidable, I also wrote about this in my article, "Israel and the US : A “Master Blaster” in the Global Thunderdome" https://joebrunoli.substack.com/p/israel-and-the-us-a-master-blaster?r=17gos
"Christian Zionists... have little respect for Palestinian life, as they know that the End Times are coming, and they, as Muslims, are destined to die anyway". Good take on the danger of fringe groups growing through totalitarian alliances. 📢🙏🏻
They are “Evangelicals”. Saying they are Christian, while technically true, is like saying they are mammals. Most American mammals and Christians are not Zionists, almost all Evangelicals are.
They have also been called "Christian Nationalists". I wanted to draw a parallel between the American story of "Manifest Destiny" and the Zionist story of "God's Chosen People"
IOW, God gave North America to the American settlers, ans God gave Palestine to the Zionist settlers.
Sorry, I was actually referring to Christian Zionists. The next time a "Christian" Congressman gets in front of a camera and says, "Israel First is America First" you'll know what I mean.
Yeah. The 19th century manifest destiny works. There are almost exact parallels between how the Native Americans were viewed and treated and the Palestinians.
The Old Covenant ended at the Crucifixion when the temple was rent. The Messiah came. The Jews knew it was Him but they rejected him and conspired to have Him killed. Post-crucifixion judiasm is a false religion and a blasphemy. For those who think I’m over the top, the talmud (intentional lower case t) preaches satanic, blasphemous things about Our Lord and His Mother, so vile and vulgar I can’t bring myself to type them here. The Acts of the Apostles (soon to be declared “antisemetic” thanks to the U.S. congress) makes it very clear that The Church is the way forward.
Yes. The CZs believe that once the Jews have reclaimed the Holy Land and the biblical Land of Israel, Jesus will return and Armageddon will happen. Some of the Jews will convert to Christianity, the rest will be killed.
In any case, Judaism will cease to exist.
The Zionists know this, but they don't care. They are happy to use the CZs for their support in America politically, and the money that the CZs send to Israel to support the illegal settlements in the Occupied Territories. They know that the CZs are fools, crazy to believe such nonsense. Remember, the Zionists are secular/atheists, but always happy to use religion as a means to further the Zionist cause. It is a very cynical, despicable game.
I studied some of this years ago. I actually attended a few evangelical churches in the 7 years I lived in Mussoula, MT.
It was crazy. Some of these people are very good at persuasion. I left it all behind to study some other thought constructs. Sufis, Buddhist and others. I can't really say I fully accepted the beliefs. Now I'm secular, but I do understand these people.
Has anyone here ever read Jeff Sharlet's older book? Title: The Family. It's very revealing about C Street in DC. Forget the Netflix version.
My parents' house was literally a long block down the street from Hagee's first Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, when it was built in 1975 when I was 16.
It was on a spot of wooded, vacant land where we had hung out as kids, so that made us ill-disposed towards the church from the beginning. The type of church didn't help, either.
Hagee opened up his new church the same year of his divorce from his first wife of 15 years or so, whom he left with two underage children amid whispers of an affair or affairs. At least that's what the Catholics, Episcopalians, Methodists, AND Baptists said, so there's probably something to the rumors since those four hardly agreed on anything.
Hagee's people were evangelical, proselytizing Bible-thumpers in the SEVENTIES. Of course we teenagers messed with them. This was at the time "trenching" was in teenage fun vandalism vogue. That consisted of driving a vehicle, preferably a heavy one, across the lawns of whoever drew our ire or just on a stupid whim.
Cornerstone Church got trenched so many times they had to put up concrete barriers to block off the church from my residential street, which was the back way in, and more along the sidewalks by the parking lots next to the front entrance, which was off the westbound access road of I-410.
Yup. I did that a couple of times. The statute of limitations expired long, long ago, and I WAS just 16. So that means I've despised that millionaire religious carnival barker going on 50 years now, and I see no reason to stop.
White this is true about the numbers, the nature of power is not about numbers. It’s about influence and position.
So you have examples like this of how a group of people - who are not Christian Zionists- can singularly influence public opinion and the facts available to the public.
https://theintercept.com/2024/04/15/nyt-israel-gaza-genocide-palestine-coverage/
Similarly you can look at the top levels of the national security council or State Dept and see who is over represented and singularly able to take vital and fatal decisions - it’s not Christian Zionists:
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2022/05/20/2022-10828/in-the-matter-of-the-designation-of-kahane-chai-and-other-aliases-as-a-foreign-terrorist
You could look at the boards of trustees and the administration levels of universities and again you would see over represented groups able to take decisions like suspension of students and calling in police - it’s not Christian Zionists.
Numbers are fine. But the US is an oligarchy not a democracy and the numbers are not what’s decisive - what’s decisive is people in control who have been indoctrinated in this stuff from birth and are no different than Ben Gvir, just that they are littered around the finish of power.
I mean ask yourself who was able to do more damage at the office every day - Stuart Seldowitz - or one million Christian Zionists.
I agree with you. But those sheer numbers mean that they have a lock on the Republican Party - no GOP candidate can get elected without the blessing of CUFI. In that way, the CZs do wield some clout. But ultimately, it is the fact that Zionists occupy the highest and most powerful positions in the US that makes the Israel Lobby formidable, I also wrote about this in my article, "Israel and the US : A “Master Blaster” in the Global Thunderdome" https://joebrunoli.substack.com/p/israel-and-the-us-a-master-blaster?r=17gos
"Christian Zionists... have little respect for Palestinian life, as they know that the End Times are coming, and they, as Muslims, are destined to die anyway". Good take on the danger of fringe groups growing through totalitarian alliances. 📢🙏🏻
I just added a photo I found this morning to the article. It is all about that. It is from a X post: https://x.com/SquidDiddly1989/status/1787307027724718524
That leaves about 270 million who don't supports the Zionists.
The point was that there are only 3-4 million Jewish Zionists in the US, and their numbers are dwarfed by the number of Christian Zionists.
They are “Evangelicals”. Saying they are Christian, while technically true, is like saying they are mammals. Most American mammals and Christians are not Zionists, almost all Evangelicals are.
They have also been called "Christian Nationalists". I wanted to draw a parallel between the American story of "Manifest Destiny" and the Zionist story of "God's Chosen People"
IOW, God gave North America to the American settlers, ans God gave Palestine to the Zionist settlers.
Sorry, I was actually referring to Christian Zionists. The next time a "Christian" Congressman gets in front of a camera and says, "Israel First is America First" you'll know what I mean.
Yeah. The 19th century manifest destiny works. There are almost exact parallels between how the Native Americans were viewed and treated and the Palestinians.
The Old Covenant ended at the Crucifixion when the temple was rent. The Messiah came. The Jews knew it was Him but they rejected him and conspired to have Him killed. Post-crucifixion judiasm is a false religion and a blasphemy. For those who think I’m over the top, the talmud (intentional lower case t) preaches satanic, blasphemous things about Our Lord and His Mother, so vile and vulgar I can’t bring myself to type them here. The Acts of the Apostles (soon to be declared “antisemetic” thanks to the U.S. congress) makes it very clear that The Church is the way forward.
If I may, this is my most recent article:
https://lucabaptista.substack.com/p/is-the-book-of-revelation-about-nuclear?r=c0lxw
Correct me if I’m wrong. Christian zios are supporting zio jews to get Palestine so the jews would die?
Yes. The CZs believe that once the Jews have reclaimed the Holy Land and the biblical Land of Israel, Jesus will return and Armageddon will happen. Some of the Jews will convert to Christianity, the rest will be killed.
In any case, Judaism will cease to exist.
The Zionists know this, but they don't care. They are happy to use the CZs for their support in America politically, and the money that the CZs send to Israel to support the illegal settlements in the Occupied Territories. They know that the CZs are fools, crazy to believe such nonsense. Remember, the Zionists are secular/atheists, but always happy to use religion as a means to further the Zionist cause. It is a very cynical, despicable game.
Mind confused and blown!
Wait til Zionist Jews find out why and what happens to them if they don’t became a Christian.
Christianity is a Jewish religion.
Honestly , that would make a lot of sense
Holy Clusterfcuk. Thanks for clearly spelling this out.
I studied some of this years ago. I actually attended a few evangelical churches in the 7 years I lived in Mussoula, MT.
It was crazy. Some of these people are very good at persuasion. I left it all behind to study some other thought constructs. Sufis, Buddhist and others. I can't really say I fully accepted the beliefs. Now I'm secular, but I do understand these people.
Has anyone here ever read Jeff Sharlet's older book? Title: The Family. It's very revealing about C Street in DC. Forget the Netflix version.
I started watching Sharlet's documentary on The Family. VERY SCARY STUFF INDEED!
The Netflix thing is actually not good. The book is excellent and detailed.
*Missoula