Amit was attacked while in captivity - she was NOT attacked on October 7. And we should be wary of getting into a discussion about raping prisoners in detention - Israel will come out looking very poorly, since they have essentially legalised the raping of non-Jewish prisoners while in detention.
All the anti-Zionist arguments, for our convenience all in one post. This must have taken a lot of work, and I for one greatly appreciate you for doing this.
I have only one small quibble, and it's about the future more than the past or present. Israel is nothing without American support, and that support is now destined to disappear because of Israel's actions. I can't say when it will, but I can say it is now as inevitable as the sunrise.
Starbucks and McDonalds are already reporting serious losses due to BDS. The Port of Eilat is empty, and that of Haifa nearly so. The Israeli economy is lurching to the brink of collapse, and that's with a pro-Zionist American government still propping it up.
Every post like this is another dagger thrust into the abomination of Zionism, and brings it one step closer to the dustbin of history.
Indeed, while Zionism may live on as an ideology, the current incarnation of Israel is headed for destruction - either from without or from within. CJ Werelman did a good short video on the coming civil war in Israel. It's basically going to be between the socially liberal Israelis in Tel Aviv versus the bloodthirsty settlers in the West Bank.
I personally think that the civil war will be short and bloody, unless the IDF come in on the side of the liberals. Itamar Ben Gvir has been handing out M-16s like candy to the settlers with no controls, no background checks, and no restrictions. They are attacking the Palestinians in the West Bank with a literal vengeance, and the goal is plain: all Palestinians will have to leave Palestine or be killed.
I wrote about it here:
"How Israel’s Mizrahi Jews are “Making Israel Great Again”"
500,000+ Israelis have already left, another 1.5 million are getting ready to leave. Yoav Gallant says the IDF are exhausted and spent as a fighting force, but Bibi is insisting on his war wqith Hezbollah.
Let's just hope the Samson Option doesn't get invoked!
Everything is clear! Israel, by essence, is a lie, a gross deception elaborated with malicious intentions, with the active complicity of a greedy and bellicose West. The student however, has surpassed the master and, henceforth dictates to the submissive West its servile conduct...
Thanks for the essay. This is a troubling time to have a conscience. It amazes me how effective Zionist efforts have been at infecting such a wide swath of my society. The '"facts" that Israel is a beacon of civilization, KSA is an important ally, and Iran is a world-threatening entity with no legitimacy are, somehow, accepted as foundations upon which our society plans and invests our resources.
History will not be kind to these assumptions.
I look forward to reading more of your thoughts, Joe.
Similar to “there was no Palestine” line of argument of our dear Golda, she conveniently didn’t realize (or she knew very well but chose to ignore of course) that there was no such thing as Pakistan or Pakistanis either, neither Bangladeshi or Bangladesh. The fact that Zionists still use those same talking points tells us how intellectually lazy they are.
The hasbara they spout is all the same. I do not engage the absurd whining but,as a writer, i am sure you have heard it all. Thank you for continued effort to keep this front and center
There is no genocide,there are still plenty. When years ago i suggested genocide,they would come back with the birth rate. They also said,i should understand what genocide is.
Well, the definition is clear enough in the Convention text. But apparently the hardest thing to prove is "intent". And that was actually absurdly easy in the case of Israel. You had Israeli officials from Herzog and Netanyahu to Yav Gallant, Ben Gvir and Smotrich making declarations of intent to carry out genocidal actions.
I mean, when the Israeli President says "there are no innocent Gazans" then the meaning is pretty clear ...
Excellent overview, with some valuable sources like the study on E.U. lobbying by Israeli interest groups. Definitely saving that one for future reference and further research.
How about "there was a ceasefire on October 6" or "oh now you're whining about getting beaten in a war you started"? And kinda similar, "Arafat/PLO/Palestinians could have accepted the 2 state solution years ago but were dumb and missed the opportunity"
Thank you for the great responses, I'm saving this post!
There has not been a ceasefire in Gaza since 2005.
Operation Autumn Clouds was also launched in 2006. This operation killed almost 100 Palestinians and wounded almost 300. This was followed by Operation Hot Winter in March, 2008, which inflicted a similar number of casualties.
Operation Cast Lead in 2008-2009 was the first large-scale operation against Gaza. According to Amnesty International, some 1,400 Palestinians were killed, including some 300 children, and hundreds of other unarmed civilians, including more than 115 women and some 85 men aged over 50 during the 22-day Operation.
Operation Returning Echo and Operation Pillar of Defense were both launched in 2012, resulting in hundreds of Palestinians killed and over 1000 wounded.
Operation Protective Edge in 2014 was another large scale Israeli attack on Gaza, and one that resembles — albeit on a much smaller scale — the current operation. The 2014 campaign resulted in over 2,200 Palestinians killed, of which at least 65% were civilians (according to the UN). Like the current operation, important civilian structures and landmarks were targeted for destruction. The casualty numbers were shocking (at the time) and prompted many NGOs and others to wonder whether Israel was deliberately targeting civilians.
The Great March of Return
The 2019 attack on Gaza took place about one year after The Great March of Return. The mass demonstrations on Israel’s border with the Strip began on Land Day, in March 2018, and continued on a weekly basis until January, 2020.
According to Haaretz:
These ongoing confrontations, in protest of Israel’s siege of Gaza, exacted the lives of 215 demonstrators, while 7,996 were wounded by live ammunition, according to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.
The Great March was a 100% peaceful protest, yet Israel used the event to exact punishment from the protesters. IDF snipers set up on the fence line and started shooting kneecaps. As one sniper told Haaretz:
“From the point of view of hits, I have the most. In my battalion they would say: ‘Look, here comes the killer.’ When I came back from the field, they would ask, ‘Well, how many today?’ You have to understand that before we showed up, knees were the hardest thing to rack up. There was a story about one sniper who had 11 knees all told, and people thought no one could outdo him. And then I brought in seven-eight knees in one day. Within a few hours, I almost broke his record.”
This cruel practice was designed to ensure that thousands of Palestinians would be handicapped for life. Years later, victims are still suffer4ing, according to a UN report.
It's actually amazing to me they can still spout off these shitty arguments when we have so many facts to back up our side, and they have cutesy phrases like "fuck around and find out". Classy 🤦♀️
Thank you for these pointers to responding to Zionists common attacks methods. I have encountered many of these arguments by Zionists before and many sound very familiar. Especially the personal attacks usually profane, victimhood,& allegations that you are a “terrorist lover & Jew hater” Fortunately I have been able to navigate around them successfully in the past while not losing my arguments against Genocide & Apartheid but I have read many exchanges where the Zionist tactics were clearly getting under the respondents skin. Thank you for your direct and useful guide- it gave me some new arguments I was Not an are of.😊
Now I need some tips to deal with the Islamophobia in online comments....I get so upset and I don't want to feed the trolls, but I don't want to leave that shit unanswered either.
I usually talk about how there are 1 billion Muslims in the world. They are not some fringe “terrorist” or “extremist” group. I also mention that it was largely the US and Israel that created “Islamic” terrorism through false flag attacks and front organizations. From attacks on Iraqi Jews in the 1950’s to 911 and ISIS, these were all funded or perpetrated by Zionists. After all the motto of Mossad is “By way of deception, though shall do war”.
One of the most vexing arguments that the Zionists blabber about when confronted by the sickening death count is that “nobody is dying in Gaza, the photos and videos showing dead bodies are just a “Pallywood” production that uses actors or plastic dolls to fake the dead. Makes me sick 🤢.
They are genetic /cultural inheritors of mental and emotional disorders. When enforced isolation becomes the norm as it has for FAR too many traditional cultures ?
It becomes a literal breeding ground and petrie dish for destructive and dysfunctional behavior.
It’s a common story, now writ large in the current world stage.
Amit Shoshanna
Amit was attacked while in captivity - she was NOT attacked on October 7. And we should be wary of getting into a discussion about raping prisoners in detention - Israel will come out looking very poorly, since they have essentially legalised the raping of non-Jewish prisoners while in detention.
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-08-05/ty-article/.premium/by-legitimizing-rape-israeli-society-takes-one-step-further-towards-moral-decay/00000191-1e71-d534-a9f9-7f7949a00000
All the anti-Zionist arguments, for our convenience all in one post. This must have taken a lot of work, and I for one greatly appreciate you for doing this.
I have only one small quibble, and it's about the future more than the past or present. Israel is nothing without American support, and that support is now destined to disappear because of Israel's actions. I can't say when it will, but I can say it is now as inevitable as the sunrise.
Starbucks and McDonalds are already reporting serious losses due to BDS. The Port of Eilat is empty, and that of Haifa nearly so. The Israeli economy is lurching to the brink of collapse, and that's with a pro-Zionist American government still propping it up.
Every post like this is another dagger thrust into the abomination of Zionism, and brings it one step closer to the dustbin of history.
Indeed, while Zionism may live on as an ideology, the current incarnation of Israel is headed for destruction - either from without or from within. CJ Werelman did a good short video on the coming civil war in Israel. It's basically going to be between the socially liberal Israelis in Tel Aviv versus the bloodthirsty settlers in the West Bank.
https://youtu.be/NJybXkgAc58?si=A2U_vwLK-zmDPsG3
I personally think that the civil war will be short and bloody, unless the IDF come in on the side of the liberals. Itamar Ben Gvir has been handing out M-16s like candy to the settlers with no controls, no background checks, and no restrictions. They are attacking the Palestinians in the West Bank with a literal vengeance, and the goal is plain: all Palestinians will have to leave Palestine or be killed.
I wrote about it here:
"How Israel’s Mizrahi Jews are “Making Israel Great Again”"
https://euroyankee.substack.com/p/how-israels-mizrahi-jews-are-making
500,000+ Israelis have already left, another 1.5 million are getting ready to leave. Yoav Gallant says the IDF are exhausted and spent as a fighting force, but Bibi is insisting on his war wqith Hezbollah.
Let's just hope the Samson Option doesn't get invoked!
Thanks very much for this clear and helpful guide.
That picture of the Biden cabinet is particularly striking...
You are welcome!
Everything is clear! Israel, by essence, is a lie, a gross deception elaborated with malicious intentions, with the active complicity of a greedy and bellicose West. The student however, has surpassed the master and, henceforth dictates to the submissive West its servile conduct...
Thanks for the essay. This is a troubling time to have a conscience. It amazes me how effective Zionist efforts have been at infecting such a wide swath of my society. The '"facts" that Israel is a beacon of civilization, KSA is an important ally, and Iran is a world-threatening entity with no legitimacy are, somehow, accepted as foundations upon which our society plans and invests our resources.
History will not be kind to these assumptions.
I look forward to reading more of your thoughts, Joe.
You might find this interesting:
"How Israel’s Mizrahi Jews are “Making Israel Great Again”"
https://euroyankee.substack.com/p/how-israels-mizrahi-jews-are-making
This post discusses the seeds of the coming civil war and societal meltdown in Israel.
Thank you!
You are welcome!
Similar to “there was no Palestine” line of argument of our dear Golda, she conveniently didn’t realize (or she knew very well but chose to ignore of course) that there was no such thing as Pakistan or Pakistanis either, neither Bangladeshi or Bangladesh. The fact that Zionists still use those same talking points tells us how intellectually lazy they are.
Thanks, I will edit my post to include these examples.
I think,like usa not hiding hypocrisy,they don’t care. The indoctrination has turned so many,what is one blatant lie
The hasbara they spout is all the same. I do not engage the absurd whining but,as a writer, i am sure you have heard it all. Thank you for continued effort to keep this front and center
There is no genocide,there are still plenty. When years ago i suggested genocide,they would come back with the birth rate. They also said,i should understand what genocide is.
Well, the definition is clear enough in the Convention text. But apparently the hardest thing to prove is "intent". And that was actually absurdly easy in the case of Israel. You had Israeli officials from Herzog and Netanyahu to Yav Gallant, Ben Gvir and Smotrich making declarations of intent to carry out genocidal actions.
I mean, when the Israeli President says "there are no innocent Gazans" then the meaning is pretty clear ...
They said it out loud and proud of it
Excellent overview, with some valuable sources like the study on E.U. lobbying by Israeli interest groups. Definitely saving that one for future reference and further research.
How about "there was a ceasefire on October 6" or "oh now you're whining about getting beaten in a war you started"? And kinda similar, "Arafat/PLO/Palestinians could have accepted the 2 state solution years ago but were dumb and missed the opportunity"
Thank you for the great responses, I'm saving this post!
They murdered Yitzak Rabin and Arafat to make sure it would never happen, and send a message to those that still believed in a two state solution.
Good, concise reply!
Israel "started" the war with the Nakba in 1948.
There has not been a ceasefire in Gaza since 2005.
Operation Autumn Clouds was also launched in 2006. This operation killed almost 100 Palestinians and wounded almost 300. This was followed by Operation Hot Winter in March, 2008, which inflicted a similar number of casualties.
Operation Cast Lead in 2008-2009 was the first large-scale operation against Gaza. According to Amnesty International, some 1,400 Palestinians were killed, including some 300 children, and hundreds of other unarmed civilians, including more than 115 women and some 85 men aged over 50 during the 22-day Operation.
Operation Returning Echo and Operation Pillar of Defense were both launched in 2012, resulting in hundreds of Palestinians killed and over 1000 wounded.
Operation Protective Edge in 2014 was another large scale Israeli attack on Gaza, and one that resembles — albeit on a much smaller scale — the current operation. The 2014 campaign resulted in over 2,200 Palestinians killed, of which at least 65% were civilians (according to the UN). Like the current operation, important civilian structures and landmarks were targeted for destruction. The casualty numbers were shocking (at the time) and prompted many NGOs and others to wonder whether Israel was deliberately targeting civilians.
The Great March of Return
The 2019 attack on Gaza took place about one year after The Great March of Return. The mass demonstrations on Israel’s border with the Strip began on Land Day, in March 2018, and continued on a weekly basis until January, 2020.
According to Haaretz:
These ongoing confrontations, in protest of Israel’s siege of Gaza, exacted the lives of 215 demonstrators, while 7,996 were wounded by live ammunition, according to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.
The Great March was a 100% peaceful protest, yet Israel used the event to exact punishment from the protesters. IDF snipers set up on the fence line and started shooting kneecaps. As one sniper told Haaretz:
“From the point of view of hits, I have the most. In my battalion they would say: ‘Look, here comes the killer.’ When I came back from the field, they would ask, ‘Well, how many today?’ You have to understand that before we showed up, knees were the hardest thing to rack up. There was a story about one sniper who had 11 knees all told, and people thought no one could outdo him. And then I brought in seven-eight knees in one day. Within a few hours, I almost broke his record.”
This cruel practice was designed to ensure that thousands of Palestinians would be handicapped for life. Years later, victims are still suffer4ing, according to a UN report.
This is all detailed in my article:
"Has Israel Lost its Right to Exist?"
https://euroyankee.substack.com/p/has-israel-lost-its-right-to-exist
It's actually amazing to me they can still spout off these shitty arguments when we have so many facts to back up our side, and they have cutesy phrases like "fuck around and find out". Classy 🤦♀️
Netanyahu blocked a 2-state soliution:
"Benjamin Netanyahu Brags He's ‘Proud’ To Have Prevented A Palestinian State"
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/benjamin-netanyahu-prevented-palestinian-state-two-state-solution_n_6580a368e4b0e142c0bed60b
"Netanyahu's rejection of 2-state solution will be his undoing, says former justice minister "
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/yossi-beilin-netanyahu-two-state-solution-1.7089416
Thank you for these pointers to responding to Zionists common attacks methods. I have encountered many of these arguments by Zionists before and many sound very familiar. Especially the personal attacks usually profane, victimhood,& allegations that you are a “terrorist lover & Jew hater” Fortunately I have been able to navigate around them successfully in the past while not losing my arguments against Genocide & Apartheid but I have read many exchanges where the Zionist tactics were clearly getting under the respondents skin. Thank you for your direct and useful guide- it gave me some new arguments I was Not an are of.😊
Now I need some tips to deal with the Islamophobia in online comments....I get so upset and I don't want to feed the trolls, but I don't want to leave that shit unanswered either.
I usually talk about how there are 1 billion Muslims in the world. They are not some fringe “terrorist” or “extremist” group. I also mention that it was largely the US and Israel that created “Islamic” terrorism through false flag attacks and front organizations. From attacks on Iraqi Jews in the 1950’s to 911 and ISIS, these were all funded or perpetrated by Zionists. After all the motto of Mossad is “By way of deception, though shall do war”.
I wrote about this:
"Israel is Built on Myth Part III: The False Story of "Islamic Terrorism""
https://euroyankee.substack.com/p/israel-is-built-on-myth-part-iii
This article may help:
"Israel is Built on Myth Part III: The False Story of "Islamic Terrorism""
https://euroyankee.substack.com/p/israel-is-built-on-myth-part-iii
Great article, thank you for writing it!
One of the most vexing arguments that the Zionists blabber about when confronted by the sickening death count is that “nobody is dying in Gaza, the photos and videos showing dead bodies are just a “Pallywood” production that uses actors or plastic dolls to fake the dead. Makes me sick 🤢.
They are genetic /cultural inheritors of mental and emotional disorders. When enforced isolation becomes the norm as it has for FAR too many traditional cultures ?
It becomes a literal breeding ground and petrie dish for destructive and dysfunctional behavior.
It’s a common story, now writ large in the current world stage.
I mean sure.. Or you could just quote scripture.
You have hit them all! I just had this exchange with Zionist ymg. I put some photos up on my Substack note, y’all come and look.
I went a few rounds with ymg. The quote I included in my post was from him. Klassy guy.